Comments on: Lost Conversations, Lost Decisions, Lost History… http://www.talkstandards.com/lost-conversations-lost-decisions-lost-history/ Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:30:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ajit Jaokar http://www.talkstandards.com/lost-conversations-lost-decisions-lost-history/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Ajit Jaokar Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:39:42 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2213#comment-157 Oliver,<br/><br/>I think the crux of what you are sayining is ..<br/><br/>--- So once again we are seeing a massive shift in the technology that is being used to run the business of government, and once again we don’t yet have the standards to retain the conversations that take place over microblogging services, or the huge amount of inbound information that departments will eventually use as part of their decision making processes that they collect from an array of social networking tools.<br/><br/>I think there is another expecatation .. not of archival but rather of availability. ie the web expects all the information to be searchable even after years. 'archived' is a paradim that suggests to me that 'older information may not be available online' <br/><br/>I think 'availability' rather than 'archival' is a greater challenge. example - I expect that my 6 year old son will see my blogs and comments including this one :) when he grows up .. <br/><br/>I did not have a day to day picture of my parents thoughts .. and so .. I wonder if people want to archive online communications in the first place? kind rgds Ajit Oliver,

I think the crux of what you are sayining is ..

— So once again we are seeing a massive shift in the technology that is being used to run the business of government, and once again we don’t yet have the standards to retain the conversations that take place over microblogging services, or the huge amount of inbound information that departments will eventually use as part of their decision making processes that they collect from an array of social networking tools.

I think there is another expecatation .. not of archival but rather of availability. ie the web expects all the information to be searchable even after years. ‘archived’ is a paradim that suggests to me that ‘older information may not be available online’

I think ‘availability’ rather than ‘archival’ is a greater challenge. example – I expect that my 6 year old son will see my blogs and comments including this one :) when he grows up ..

I did not have a day to day picture of my parents thoughts .. and so .. I wonder if people want to archive online communications in the first place? kind rgds Ajit

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]]> By: Niklas Lindblom http://www.talkstandards.com/lost-conversations-lost-decisions-lost-history/comment-page-1/#comment-147 Niklas Lindblom Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:02:30 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2213#comment-147 Oliver,<br/>Archiving standards are indeed important to develop at an early stage. After all, how are we supposed to look back on our successes/mistakes and learn without it? And I have to say that to me it sound sort of intuitive to come up with ways to archive data at the same time ways to record and store data are invented. If you were to point a finger, who would you say is to blame for not realizing this at square one? Do vendors not see electronic archiving technology to be as profitable to develop and sell or is it simply customers who have not been demanding it?<br/>If the latter, I would think that it is well possible that the need for technology to archive data and information is better understood today which would imply that the demand for archiving standards would drive the development of such. But if not, should eGovernment policy specifically refer to the development of information archiving technology? Oliver,
Archiving standards are indeed important to develop at an early stage. After all, how are we supposed to look back on our successes/mistakes and learn without it? And I have to say that to me it sound sort of intuitive to come up with ways to archive data at the same time ways to record and store data are invented. If you were to point a finger, who would you say is to blame for not realizing this at square one? Do vendors not see electronic archiving technology to be as profitable to develop and sell or is it simply customers who have not been demanding it?
If the latter, I would think that it is well possible that the need for technology to archive data and information is better understood today which would imply that the demand for archiving standards would drive the development of such. But if not, should eGovernment policy specifically refer to the development of information archiving technology?

]]> By: Martin Sutinen http://www.talkstandards.com/lost-conversations-lost-decisions-lost-history/comment-page-1/#comment-145 Martin Sutinen Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:51:55 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2213#comment-145 Oliver,<br/>The issue of digital archival of government data and correspondence is definitely an issue to ponder. The negative aspects have already been felt with the loss of data, archives and information. How would you say that readiness is progressing in the eGovernment sector for handling this problem? Do you have any actors in mind which can work as traction-builders for the issue at hand? Open formats are often brought forward as a solution to the problem, would you agree that it is? <br/>As you say, Government 2.0 has enabled new services and interactions between citizens, politicians and the Government, with large private-public interaction. The information overflow is now a part of the Government as well. Do you deem it probable that the aspects of archiving will have an opportunity to catch up to the phenomena of government blogging, microblogging and social networking anytime soon? Oliver,
The issue of digital archival of government data and correspondence is definitely an issue to ponder. The negative aspects have already been felt with the loss of data, archives and information. How would you say that readiness is progressing in the eGovernment sector for handling this problem? Do you have any actors in mind which can work as traction-builders for the issue at hand? Open formats are often brought forward as a solution to the problem, would you agree that it is?
As you say, Government 2.0 has enabled new services and interactions between citizens, politicians and the Government, with large private-public interaction. The information overflow is now a part of the Government as well. Do you deem it probable that the aspects of archiving will have an opportunity to catch up to the phenomena of government blogging, microblogging and social networking anytime soon?

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