Comments on: Open Government and its Implications for Standards http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/ Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:30:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ajit Jaokar http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-162 Ajit Jaokar Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:54:36 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2178#comment-162 Martin<br/>Re -- more effective government means less resources spent, which will imply more services elsewhere (or lower taxes). <br/>Yes, thats correct. So, technology will enable a more effecient government rgds Ajit Martin
Re — more effective government means less resources spent, which will imply more services elsewhere (or lower taxes).
Yes, thats correct. So, technology will enable a more effecient government rgds Ajit

]]> By: Ajit Jaokar http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-161 Ajit Jaokar Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:52:48 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2178#comment-161 Stacy<br/>Re -- I think it is a fallacy to directly equate open government with open-source code and I appreciate your illuminating the greater challenge of achieving the former.<br/><br/>Yes .. very much so. I have pointed this in other blogs elsewhere ie there are many unknowns with the use of Open source(depending on the license and the govenance model) - ex - MySQL is open source - but then gets acquired by Sun and now by Oracle. So, its status is (rightly) debated. thus, there are many such issues which are not clear but in any case, equating the two is not correct as you say kind rgds Ajit Stacy
Re — I think it is a fallacy to directly equate open government with open-source code and I appreciate your illuminating the greater challenge of achieving the former.

Yes .. very much so. I have pointed this in other blogs elsewhere ie there are many unknowns with the use of Open source(depending on the license and the govenance model) – ex – MySQL is open source – but then gets acquired by Sun and now by Oracle. So, its status is (rightly) debated. thus, there are many such issues which are not clear but in any case, equating the two is not correct as you say kind rgds Ajit

]]> By: Ajit Jaokar http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-151 Ajit Jaokar Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:40:45 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2178#comment-151 Mattias<br/>Re How much should you expect? Good question .. short answer LOTS .. but the REAL question is how much of that would be USEFUL? But the philosophy of participation is accurate .. but it will need a change in process. So, this is still early stage rgds Ajit Mattias
Re How much should you expect? Good question .. short answer LOTS .. but the REAL question is how much of that would be USEFUL? But the philosophy of participation is accurate .. but it will need a change in process. So, this is still early stage rgds Ajit

]]> By: Martin Sutinen http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-148 Martin Sutinen Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:16:24 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2178#comment-148 Ajit,<br/>One aspect I read into Open Government would be an open mindset. The government has to start thinking outside the box in order to get the most out of the 2.0 concept. I agree that openness could in principle be technology neutral. I would however question that changes internally would not reflect externally. While the new technology might not enable new service, more effective government means less resources spent, which will imply more services elsewhere (or lower taxes). Through dynamic channels, the introduction of developments internally should result in customer improvements externally, although not necessarily in direct relation to the new technology. Ajit,
One aspect I read into Open Government would be an open mindset. The government has to start thinking outside the box in order to get the most out of the 2.0 concept. I agree that openness could in principle be technology neutral. I would however question that changes internally would not reflect externally. While the new technology might not enable new service, more effective government means less resources spent, which will imply more services elsewhere (or lower taxes). Through dynamic channels, the introduction of developments internally should result in customer improvements externally, although not necessarily in direct relation to the new technology.

]]> By: Stacy Baird http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-146 Stacy Baird Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:01:47 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2178#comment-146 Ajit: I think your point is well taken, the choice of technology always must meet the end use of that technology. But it's clear where technology is today, open source and proprietary are living in far greater harmony than dissonance, and the situation is getting better practically daily. I think it is a fallacy to directly equate open government with open-source code and I appreciate your illuminating the greater challenge of achieving the former. Ajit: I think your point is well taken, the choice of technology always must meet the end use of that technology. But it’s clear where technology is today, open source and proprietary are living in far greater harmony than dissonance, and the situation is getting better practically daily. I think it is a fallacy to directly equate open government with open-source code and I appreciate your illuminating the greater challenge of achieving the former.

]]> By: Ajit Jaokar http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-143 Ajit Jaokar Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:41:14 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2178#comment-143 Niklas<br/>Thanks for your comments. I did not mean to imply that Drupal implementation will not benefit anyone. What I mean is - any implementation of a system which is internal(with my analogy of ERP systems) has limited benefits to external parties(irrespective of the system/technology) rgds Ajit Niklas
Thanks for your comments. I did not mean to imply that Drupal implementation will not benefit anyone. What I mean is – any implementation of a system which is internal(with my analogy of ERP systems) has limited benefits to external parties(irrespective of the system/technology) rgds Ajit

]]> By: Mattias Ganslandt http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-133 Mattias Ganslandt Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:48:53 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2178#comment-133 Ajit: Agree. ICT systems - particularly web 2.0 - for "open government", whether based on open source or proprietary code, indeed has great potential. Question is how much to expect? There are several factors that one needs to consider. First, should we expect a substantial increase in private provision of public goods? Well, that will depend on the evolution of norms as well as the costs and benefits for individuals. Second, distributional conflicts at the heart of any political system will remain. Coordination problems are generally easier to solve than conflicts of interest. Third, any bureaucracy is reluctant to give up control. And since this is the very idea with open government one should expect internal resistance. For all of these reasons, political leadership and supporting policies and institutions may be needed to get beyond "declarations" and "ambitions"./Mattias Ajit: Agree. ICT systems – particularly web 2.0 – for “open government”, whether based on open source or proprietary code, indeed has great potential. Question is how much to expect? There are several factors that one needs to consider. First, should we expect a substantial increase in private provision of public goods? Well, that will depend on the evolution of norms as well as the costs and benefits for individuals. Second, distributional conflicts at the heart of any political system will remain. Coordination problems are generally easier to solve than conflicts of interest. Third, any bureaucracy is reluctant to give up control. And since this is the very idea with open government one should expect internal resistance. For all of these reasons, political leadership and supporting policies and institutions may be needed to get beyond “declarations” and “ambitions”./Mattias

]]> By: Niklas Lindblom http://www.talkstandards.com/open-government-and-its-implications-for-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Niklas Lindblom Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:18:23 +0000 http://www.talkstandards.com/?p=2178#comment-127 Ajit,<br/>The distinction between philosophical concept and technological requirement is interesting and not something that is frequently discussed. And as with any kind of philosophy it is the matter of successfully implementing idea into practice that offers the greatest challenge. You mention that the implementation of Drupal will not benefit anyone, but would you say that there are any conflicts?<br/>Further, the idea of Open Government seems to be strongly connected with open standards and has further spurred the push towards the public use thereof. <br/>Further, the idea of Open Government is connected to increased efficiency as well as transparency, where Web 2.0 solutions might provide both. But is this a new venue for the open standards discussion?<br/> Ajit,
The distinction between philosophical concept and technological requirement is interesting and not something that is frequently discussed. And as with any kind of philosophy it is the matter of successfully implementing idea into practice that offers the greatest challenge. You mention that the implementation of Drupal will not benefit anyone, but would you say that there are any conflicts?
Further, the idea of Open Government seems to be strongly connected with open standards and has further spurred the push towards the public use thereof.
Further, the idea of Open Government is connected to increased efficiency as well as transparency, where Web 2.0 solutions might provide both. But is this a new venue for the open standards discussion?

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